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		<title>By: Mary @ Parenthood</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-109998</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary @ Parenthood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an adult celiac who is highly allergic to pineapple (yes, that does eliminate most fruit trays...), I just wanted to comment on Robin&#039;s comment near the top.  &quot;The child would learn to cope with missing breakfasts at restaurants or eating in many places.&quot;

My personal experience and research conducted with celiacs across Canada suggest that while we learn to cope without these experiences, it definitely has a negative impact on life.  Deciding that we should simply learn to &quot;cope&quot; lacks a certain level of compassion.  It&#039;s my strong opinion that it is better to try to avoid situations where we are continuously reminded of our digestive requirements.  If you know what I mean.

If I were to go to a restaurant and they accomodated me by not serving anything with gluten while I was there, it would be such a fantastically generous gift and it would probably make me their best customer. And if I overheard other patrons complaining and their parents obviously agreeing, I&#039;d be heartbroken.
  
I hear what people are saying about eating out already being a gamble (no kidding!) and like peanuts, I can&#039;t get sick from other people ingesting gluten.  But the potential for cross-contamination is going to be much, much lower if the allergen is not in the restaurant while I am.  For instance, if your server clears away peanut butter from your table, doesn&#039;t quite get it all off and then serves severe peanut allergy table.   So I would cut the restaurant some slack.  I also think it is a bit strange to be put out that they didn&#039;t serve your preferred toast topping - when at a restaurant I usually expect them to serve me what they serve, based off the menu.  If I want something very specific, that&#039;s when I&#039;d head to a grocery store.  Really it was an opportunity to help your kids have some empathy for others that are rarely able to just eat but have to think about whether their food is likely to hurt them first and if so, whether it is worth taking that risk.

Oh, and you are right - it is exhausting and embarrassing to make sure that eating out is safe.  But if you or your child ever is in that situation, I will bet large sums of money that while you might usually pass on restaurant experiences, eventually the resentment and embarrassment of always declining would wear you down.  You wouldn&#039;t eat out often, but I doubt that you would decide never to eat out again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an adult celiac who is highly allergic to pineapple (yes, that does eliminate most fruit trays&#8230;), I just wanted to comment on Robin&#8217;s comment near the top.  &#8220;The child would learn to cope with missing breakfasts at restaurants or eating in many places.&#8221;</p>
<p>My personal experience and research conducted with celiacs across Canada suggest that while we learn to cope without these experiences, it definitely has a negative impact on life.  Deciding that we should simply learn to &#8220;cope&#8221; lacks a certain level of compassion.  It&#8217;s my strong opinion that it is better to try to avoid situations where we are continuously reminded of our digestive requirements.  If you know what I mean.</p>
<p>If I were to go to a restaurant and they accomodated me by not serving anything with gluten while I was there, it would be such a fantastically generous gift and it would probably make me their best customer. And if I overheard other patrons complaining and their parents obviously agreeing, I&#8217;d be heartbroken.</p>
<p>I hear what people are saying about eating out already being a gamble (no kidding!) and like peanuts, I can&#8217;t get sick from other people ingesting gluten.  But the potential for cross-contamination is going to be much, much lower if the allergen is not in the restaurant while I am.  For instance, if your server clears away peanut butter from your table, doesn&#8217;t quite get it all off and then serves severe peanut allergy table.   So I would cut the restaurant some slack.  I also think it is a bit strange to be put out that they didn&#8217;t serve your preferred toast topping &#8211; when at a restaurant I usually expect them to serve me what they serve, based off the menu.  If I want something very specific, that&#8217;s when I&#8217;d head to a grocery store.  Really it was an opportunity to help your kids have some empathy for others that are rarely able to just eat but have to think about whether their food is likely to hurt them first and if so, whether it is worth taking that risk.</p>
<p>Oh, and you are right &#8211; it is exhausting and embarrassing to make sure that eating out is safe.  But if you or your child ever is in that situation, I will bet large sums of money that while you might usually pass on restaurant experiences, eventually the resentment and embarrassment of always declining would wear you down.  You wouldn&#8217;t eat out often, but I doubt that you would decide never to eat out again.</p>
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		<title>By: kgirl</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-109991</link>
		<dc:creator>kgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m allergic to dogs. Like, really allergic. I have asthma, and any potential allergic reaction could trigger an asthma attack, and I could die. 
So, I should ask the whole entire world make sure they are not walking their dog when I go out? 
Or how bout I just stay the heck out of the leash-free area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m allergic to dogs. Like, really allergic. I have asthma, and any potential allergic reaction could trigger an asthma attack, and I could die.<br />
So, I should ask the whole entire world make sure they are not walking their dog when I go out?<br />
Or how bout I just stay the heck out of the leash-free area?</p>
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		<title>By: sky</title>
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		<dc:creator>sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s ridiculous. Could it really affect the kid if someone at the next table is eating pb? 

Having said that, I would have cheerfully complied with jam for my toast but I would have thought it was odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s ridiculous. Could it really affect the kid if someone at the next table is eating pb? </p>
<p>Having said that, I would have cheerfully complied with jam for my toast but I would have thought it was odd.</p>
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		<title>By: H1n1 vaccines, Canadian babies denied Baby Einstein refund, and other miscellany</title>
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		<dc:creator>H1n1 vaccines, Canadian babies denied Baby Einstein refund, and other miscellany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to add: Please, if you haven&#8217;t already, read this comment from Jody. One of the most reasonable, well-informed comments I think I&#8217;ve ever read on the subject of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-109260</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m biased in that two of my kids have peanut allergy, so I&#039;ve spent a reasonable amount of time talking about this issue with doctors.  Based on those conversations, and on research in the allergy-related journals, here&#039;s what I believe:

You cannot have a life-threatening reaction to peanut butter unless you ingest some peanut.

You cannot die from smelling peanuts.  You cannot die if you rub your hand on some peanut butter (unless you lick that skin, of course -- and you might still have some pretty spectacular hives).  You can only die from a peanut allergy if you ingest the peanuts.

Our allergists are the ones doing the cutting-edge peanut-allergy work that makes the national press, so I feel REALLY confident in my understanding of how peanut allergy works.

I also feel confident on this peanut-inhalation issue because my son has shellfish allergies, and you CAN have an allergic reaction if you inhale shellfish proteins.  Shellfish proteins areosolize in molecules small enough to be absorbed through the mucus membranes.  Peanut proteins do not.

Of course, not everyone believes this.  And good luck getting them to.  &quot;I smelled peanuts, and started to have trouble breathing because of my allergy!&quot;  No one -- and I mean NO ONE -- will ever be convinced that they were having a (very real) stress reaction, not an anaphylactic one.  It&#039;s not a discussion worth having.

(Another slightly interesting factoid: You can go for years having nothing but a &quot;mild&quot; reaction to peanuts, and then go into anaphylactic shock the next time you accidentally eat even a tiny peanut fragment.  There is no pattern or purpose to peanut allergy.  And while there are blood tests that indicate a person&#039;s current sensitivity to peanuts, there&#039;s no real correlation between the protein levels and one&#039;s reactivity.  All the blood test can really tell you is your odds of outgrowing that allergy in time.  So there&#039;s one reason why parents are so scared: past experience does not predict future results.  It&#039;s frightening.)

Anyway, my experience as a parent of kids with peanut allergies makes me ... skeptical ... about people who want peanut-free planes, or peanut-free restaurants, on the basis of any &quot;inhalation risk.&quot;

So that leaves kitchen contamination and ingestion risks, which brings us to the question: do you need to ask a restaurant to go peanut-free during your visit to avoid contamination?  I would argue (a) it&#039;s probably just as easy to ask the chefs to clean their work station before preparing your food, and make sure to segregate other people&#039;s meals from that area; and (b) if you&#039;re that worried about contamination, you probably don&#039;t want to trust the kitchen anyway.  Because if the concern is that stray smear of peanut butter on an apron or cloth or utensil, the route by which some peanut butter reaches your plate -- well, unless the restaurant has been peanut-free since this morning, and unless you are 100% sure that they cleaned every last speck of peanut butter off their work surfaces last night, you&#039;re already taking a risk (albeit a relatively small one, I would argue -- but risk assessment is a tricky thing).

The fact is, because peanut allergy is so unpredictable, it&#039;s probably best that people with peanut allergies never eat in restaurants that serve peanuts.  But most people balance the risks and the rewards.

I don&#039;t like the title of this Salon article at all, but it does discuss the reported numbers of anaphylactic deaths in the US each year, and does help put the fear into some perspective:

http://www.salon.com/env/vital_signs/2009/02/05/peanut_allergy/index1.html

Annika, I&#039;m very sorry for your friends&#039; loss.  How heartbreaking and awful to lose a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m biased in that two of my kids have peanut allergy, so I&#8217;ve spent a reasonable amount of time talking about this issue with doctors.  Based on those conversations, and on research in the allergy-related journals, here&#8217;s what I believe:</p>
<p>You cannot have a life-threatening reaction to peanut butter unless you ingest some peanut.</p>
<p>You cannot die from smelling peanuts.  You cannot die if you rub your hand on some peanut butter (unless you lick that skin, of course &#8212; and you might still have some pretty spectacular hives).  You can only die from a peanut allergy if you ingest the peanuts.</p>
<p>Our allergists are the ones doing the cutting-edge peanut-allergy work that makes the national press, so I feel REALLY confident in my understanding of how peanut allergy works.</p>
<p>I also feel confident on this peanut-inhalation issue because my son has shellfish allergies, and you CAN have an allergic reaction if you inhale shellfish proteins.  Shellfish proteins areosolize in molecules small enough to be absorbed through the mucus membranes.  Peanut proteins do not.</p>
<p>Of course, not everyone believes this.  And good luck getting them to.  &#8220;I smelled peanuts, and started to have trouble breathing because of my allergy!&#8221;  No one &#8212; and I mean NO ONE &#8212; will ever be convinced that they were having a (very real) stress reaction, not an anaphylactic one.  It&#8217;s not a discussion worth having.</p>
<p>(Another slightly interesting factoid: You can go for years having nothing but a &#8220;mild&#8221; reaction to peanuts, and then go into anaphylactic shock the next time you accidentally eat even a tiny peanut fragment.  There is no pattern or purpose to peanut allergy.  And while there are blood tests that indicate a person&#8217;s current sensitivity to peanuts, there&#8217;s no real correlation between the protein levels and one&#8217;s reactivity.  All the blood test can really tell you is your odds of outgrowing that allergy in time.  So there&#8217;s one reason why parents are so scared: past experience does not predict future results.  It&#8217;s frightening.)</p>
<p>Anyway, my experience as a parent of kids with peanut allergies makes me &#8230; skeptical &#8230; about people who want peanut-free planes, or peanut-free restaurants, on the basis of any &#8220;inhalation risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>So that leaves kitchen contamination and ingestion risks, which brings us to the question: do you need to ask a restaurant to go peanut-free during your visit to avoid contamination?  I would argue (a) it&#8217;s probably just as easy to ask the chefs to clean their work station before preparing your food, and make sure to segregate other people&#8217;s meals from that area; and (b) if you&#8217;re that worried about contamination, you probably don&#8217;t want to trust the kitchen anyway.  Because if the concern is that stray smear of peanut butter on an apron or cloth or utensil, the route by which some peanut butter reaches your plate &#8212; well, unless the restaurant has been peanut-free since this morning, and unless you are 100% sure that they cleaned every last speck of peanut butter off their work surfaces last night, you&#8217;re already taking a risk (albeit a relatively small one, I would argue &#8212; but risk assessment is a tricky thing).</p>
<p>The fact is, because peanut allergy is so unpredictable, it&#8217;s probably best that people with peanut allergies never eat in restaurants that serve peanuts.  But most people balance the risks and the rewards.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the title of this Salon article at all, but it does discuss the reported numbers of anaphylactic deaths in the US each year, and does help put the fear into some perspective:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/env/vital_signs/2009/02/05/peanut_allergy/index1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/env/vital_signs/2009/02/05/peanut_allergy/index1.html</a></p>
<p>Annika, I&#8217;m very sorry for your friends&#8217; loss.  How heartbreaking and awful to lose a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108899</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it was a larger restaurant? Likely not, but one of the size you&#039;re describing?  I would have been miffed (I dislike the jam packets) but likely understanding.  

It&#039;s a tricky thing with the allergies.  I&#039;m sure the child appreciates the gesture, but the whole restaurant?  Eesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was a larger restaurant? Likely not, but one of the size you&#8217;re describing?  I would have been miffed (I dislike the jam packets) but likely understanding.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tricky thing with the allergies.  I&#8217;m sure the child appreciates the gesture, but the whole restaurant?  Eesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108835</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of random thoughts about this - and I am yet another parent with a peanut allergic child. I am grateful to parents who don&#039;t send their kids to school with peanut products (thanks everyone!) and I have travelled with airlines that have taken the peanuts off a plane simply because my family was travelling on it (thanks Singapore Airlines!). However, those are exceptional circumstances - allergic kids have to be in school, and there are often few available choices for people who want to/need to travel. However, eating out is a choice that we make and it is up to us to make sure that is a safe place for us to eat in discussion with the restaurant. I could not imagine asking everyone in the restaurant to potentially change their eating choices because of us. If that were the only option, we would simply not eat out. Sometimes it is a pain, and sometimes it is even sad for my son, but that is the way it is. We chose very particular places, we bring our own food, have people to our place rather than eat out, do something with friends that doesn&#039;t involve food, etc.

Secondly, if the child/children at that table were so allergic that they could potentially react to other people eating small packets of PB at other tables, then they were probably too allergic to be out in a restaurant. Anyone that sensitive - an I am not sure how common this is - would be at risk of a reaction from someone having eaten at the table previously, or having a tiny amount left on an imperfectly cleaned knife. Frankly, if they were that allergic, it sounds to me like they might have been giving themselves a potentially dangerous false sense of security - in addition to inconveniencing the other patrons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of random thoughts about this &#8211; and I am yet another parent with a peanut allergic child. I am grateful to parents who don&#8217;t send their kids to school with peanut products (thanks everyone!) and I have travelled with airlines that have taken the peanuts off a plane simply because my family was travelling on it (thanks Singapore Airlines!). However, those are exceptional circumstances &#8211; allergic kids have to be in school, and there are often few available choices for people who want to/need to travel. However, eating out is a choice that we make and it is up to us to make sure that is a safe place for us to eat in discussion with the restaurant. I could not imagine asking everyone in the restaurant to potentially change their eating choices because of us. If that were the only option, we would simply not eat out. Sometimes it is a pain, and sometimes it is even sad for my son, but that is the way it is. We chose very particular places, we bring our own food, have people to our place rather than eat out, do something with friends that doesn&#8217;t involve food, etc.</p>
<p>Secondly, if the child/children at that table were so allergic that they could potentially react to other people eating small packets of PB at other tables, then they were probably too allergic to be out in a restaurant. Anyone that sensitive &#8211; an I am not sure how common this is &#8211; would be at risk of a reaction from someone having eaten at the table previously, or having a tiny amount left on an imperfectly cleaned knife. Frankly, if they were that allergic, it sounds to me like they might have been giving themselves a potentially dangerous false sense of security &#8211; in addition to inconveniencing the other patrons.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108834</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what&#039;s been said (well most of it... too many comments that I didnt read them all).

I think that if my child had a severe nut allergy, so much so that you&#039;d request the restaurant to not serve anything peanut-related... you&#039;re inconveniencing so many people.  I mean, good for the restaurant for going along with it, but still, they shouldn&#039;t have.  I would rather pack my child&#039;s lunch than risk it.  But that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what&#8217;s been said (well most of it&#8230; too many comments that I didnt read them all).</p>
<p>I think that if my child had a severe nut allergy, so much so that you&#8217;d request the restaurant to not serve anything peanut-related&#8230; you&#8217;re inconveniencing so many people.  I mean, good for the restaurant for going along with it, but still, they shouldn&#8217;t have.  I would rather pack my child&#8217;s lunch than risk it.  But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: yvonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and it was sesame seeds too; there were no sesame bagels allowed but we did not order sesame bagels.  Just peanut butter.  I do feel for the family and we did decide it was not a big enough deal to make an issue out of it but, no, it was not a small restaurant and it would likely have affected a minimum of 15 other families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and it was sesame seeds too; there were no sesame bagels allowed but we did not order sesame bagels.  Just peanut butter.  I do feel for the family and we did decide it was not a big enough deal to make an issue out of it but, no, it was not a small restaurant and it would likely have affected a minimum of 15 other families.</p>
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		<title>By: yvonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed the kicker - Todd said that the kids (probably not the kid with the allergy) were tossing the little packets of peanut butter at each other as we left the restaurant.  They had moved away from the supervision of the parents and, obviously, to the place where the restaurant had STORED the peanut butter packets while they were not allowed on the table.  THE KIDS WERE PLAYING WITH THEM.  Now, I asked if Todd had informed the server and he had not.  I tried to call the restaurant when I got home but the team had already left, apparently without an allergic reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the kicker &#8211; Todd said that the kids (probably not the kid with the allergy) were tossing the little packets of peanut butter at each other as we left the restaurant.  They had moved away from the supervision of the parents and, obviously, to the place where the restaurant had STORED the peanut butter packets while they were not allowed on the table.  THE KIDS WERE PLAYING WITH THEM.  Now, I asked if Todd had informed the server and he had not.  I tried to call the restaurant when I got home but the team had already left, apparently without an allergic reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: susie</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108798</link>
		<dc:creator>susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, considering some people can die from the smell of peanut butter, I&#039;m OK with it. I have a friend with a child with a severe allergy to peanuts, and I get tired just thinking of how tiring it must be for them.  Sweet perks in life like a trip to Timmies or a night at DQ in the summer are out of the question for them.  One of the kids in my daughter&#039;s class has a severe peanut allergy, and I don&#039;t understand why peanuts aren&#039;t banned school-wide.  Wouldn&#039;t you rather err on the side of caution?  Asking ppl to refrain from peanut butter for one morning of their life isn&#039;t going to kill anyone, while *not* asking might.  It&#039;s hardly that much of an inconvinience, I mean come on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, considering some people can die from the smell of peanut butter, I&#8217;m OK with it. I have a friend with a child with a severe allergy to peanuts, and I get tired just thinking of how tiring it must be for them.  Sweet perks in life like a trip to Timmies or a night at DQ in the summer are out of the question for them.  One of the kids in my daughter&#8217;s class has a severe peanut allergy, and I don&#8217;t understand why peanuts aren&#8217;t banned school-wide.  Wouldn&#8217;t you rather err on the side of caution?  Asking ppl to refrain from peanut butter for one morning of their life isn&#8217;t going to kill anyone, while *not* asking might.  It&#8217;s hardly that much of an inconvinience, I mean come on!</p>
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		<title>By: Batman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Batman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  I&#039;m not a big peanut butter person so it wouldn&#039;t have bothered me.  If it was something that I enjoyed eating though (and I likely would have ordered), I think I would have left.  I visit some restaurants for specific reasons and I often have particular things I like about each one.  For example, if I wasn&#039;t allowed to order the home made jam at the local cafe, I would likely not eat breakfast there and instead go hungry or stop somewhere else.  

I&#039;d like to propose a follow up question for discussion...  The debate thus far has been focused on peanut butter.  Most people seem okay with the idea of going without PB to accommodate someone&#039;s allergies.  

What if that person was allergic to coffee (beans, beverage and aroma)?  Would you still respond the same way knowing that you couldn&#039;t have coffee with your breakfast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  I&#8217;m not a big peanut butter person so it wouldn&#8217;t have bothered me.  If it was something that I enjoyed eating though (and I likely would have ordered), I think I would have left.  I visit some restaurants for specific reasons and I often have particular things I like about each one.  For example, if I wasn&#8217;t allowed to order the home made jam at the local cafe, I would likely not eat breakfast there and instead go hungry or stop somewhere else.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to propose a follow up question for discussion&#8230;  The debate thus far has been focused on peanut butter.  Most people seem okay with the idea of going without PB to accommodate someone&#8217;s allergies.  </p>
<p>What if that person was allergic to coffee (beans, beverage and aroma)?  Would you still respond the same way knowing that you couldn&#8217;t have coffee with your breakfast?</p>
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		<title>By: colleen</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108759</link>
		<dc:creator>colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my child were that allergic, I would not take him/her to a restaurant. Having said that, the restaurant owed it to the other diners to mention that no peanut butter would be available that morning. That way, the diners could chose to stay or go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my child were that allergic, I would not take him/her to a restaurant. Having said that, the restaurant owed it to the other diners to mention that no peanut butter would be available that morning. That way, the diners could chose to stay or go.</p>
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		<title>By: coffeewithjulie</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108749</link>
		<dc:creator>coffeewithjulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify: I think there are two issues here.

The first is &quot;Do you think that a restaurant should try to accommodate one patron&#039;s food allergy -- despite that food being listed on the menu and no advance warning.&quot; Well, as a general rule, no, I don&#039;t.

But when reading Dani&#039;s post, it seemed like a small-ish restaurant and a special group outing for the kids, and so it didn&#039;t seem like a big deal to me to not have peanut butter one morning. Obviously that particular child doesn&#039;t get to do this often or Dani and friends, who are regular patrons, would have come across this before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify: I think there are two issues here.</p>
<p>The first is &#8220;Do you think that a restaurant should try to accommodate one patron&#8217;s food allergy &#8212; despite that food being listed on the menu and no advance warning.&#8221; Well, as a general rule, no, I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But when reading Dani&#8217;s post, it seemed like a small-ish restaurant and a special group outing for the kids, and so it didn&#8217;t seem like a big deal to me to not have peanut butter one morning. Obviously that particular child doesn&#8217;t get to do this often or Dani and friends, who are regular patrons, would have come across this before.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Little</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-211210</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;My son&#039;s allergic to nuts.  yes and no RT @DaniGirl Should restaurants deny...peanut butter due to allergy...?...http://tinyurl.com/yjq9vew&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">My son&#39;s allergic to nuts.  yes and no RT @DaniGirl Should restaurants deny&#8230;peanut butter due to allergy&#8230;?&#8230;http://tinyurl.com/yjq9vew</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108737</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s good that efforts are made to accomodate an allergy (where possible). It would be hard to be a kid and be excluded from activities with your team/group, etc.

However....
If the allergy really is a matter of life and death, then I don&#039;t believe that, as a parent, I would consider a restaurant a &#039;safe&#039; place to eat (if one could have a severe, life threatening reaction from someone opening a sealed packet of peanut butter from over 10 feet away). Were the entire kitchen, tabletops, cutlery, dishes, cook and server&#039;s hands, etc. etc. disenfected before the team arrived, to ensure the safety of the child? 

I would kind of doubt all that was done, so in this case, would say that asking the entire restaurant to refrain from using peanut butter was over the top. (and your server should have told you beforehand)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s good that efforts are made to accomodate an allergy (where possible). It would be hard to be a kid and be excluded from activities with your team/group, etc.</p>
<p>However&#8230;.<br />
If the allergy really is a matter of life and death, then I don&#8217;t believe that, as a parent, I would consider a restaurant a &#8216;safe&#8217; place to eat (if one could have a severe, life threatening reaction from someone opening a sealed packet of peanut butter from over 10 feet away). Were the entire kitchen, tabletops, cutlery, dishes, cook and server&#8217;s hands, etc. etc. disenfected before the team arrived, to ensure the safety of the child? </p>
<p>I would kind of doubt all that was done, so in this case, would say that asking the entire restaurant to refrain from using peanut butter was over the top. (and your server should have told you beforehand)</p>
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		<title>By: Annika</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108725</link>
		<dc:creator>Annika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s life and death.

For anyone who has lost a loved one due to a peanut allergy, they would gladly suffer any imposition to have that person alive again.  Including toast with just jam.  Sheesh.

Put yourselves in the shoes of the kid who has this allergy.  Should this child be deprived of all group social outings because of an allergy?  I&#039;m sure this child&#039;s enjoyment of many a milestone has already been compromised by the allergy.  A little compassion, people!

No, I do not have an allergy and nor do my children.  I do, however, know a family who lost their daughter to an allergic reaction – peanuts – three years ago.    

I understand that no one here is attempting to be petty or insensitive, but for Pete&#039;s sake, please remember that this is literally a life and death issue for some of our friends, neighbours and fellow restaurant patrons.  

We wordlessly suffer far greater annoyances in order to maintain a healthy, peaceful and inclusive society (ever taken the bus with people who choose not to wear deodorant?).

Let&#039;s keep it in perspective.  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s life and death.</p>
<p>For anyone who has lost a loved one due to a peanut allergy, they would gladly suffer any imposition to have that person alive again.  Including toast with just jam.  Sheesh.</p>
<p>Put yourselves in the shoes of the kid who has this allergy.  Should this child be deprived of all group social outings because of an allergy?  I&#8217;m sure this child&#8217;s enjoyment of many a milestone has already been compromised by the allergy.  A little compassion, people!</p>
<p>No, I do not have an allergy and nor do my children.  I do, however, know a family who lost their daughter to an allergic reaction – peanuts – three years ago.    </p>
<p>I understand that no one here is attempting to be petty or insensitive, but for Pete&#8217;s sake, please remember that this is literally a life and death issue for some of our friends, neighbours and fellow restaurant patrons.  </p>
<p>We wordlessly suffer far greater annoyances in order to maintain a healthy, peaceful and inclusive society (ever taken the bus with people who choose not to wear deodorant?).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep it in perspective.  Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108724</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see both sides to this debate.  We have family members and friends with severe life threatening allergies.  Unfortunately, they do not eat out in restaurants or eat in public places for safety, and because it is not fair to expect other people to make accommodations/restrictions in restaurants, airplanes etc.  The flipside to that is that the kids/family miss these &quot;normal&quot; experiences of eating out at restaurants and other fun outings.  It sounds ridiculous to some people who have never witnessed an anaphylactic reaction, or feared your child would die from inhaling an allergen.   Tough call for the restaurant since there are many ways to deal with that situation.  I am glad they chose to safety in this case since it was just a condiment.  Very interesting discussion, good points on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see both sides to this debate.  We have family members and friends with severe life threatening allergies.  Unfortunately, they do not eat out in restaurants or eat in public places for safety, and because it is not fair to expect other people to make accommodations/restrictions in restaurants, airplanes etc.  The flipside to that is that the kids/family miss these &#8220;normal&#8221; experiences of eating out at restaurants and other fun outings.  It sounds ridiculous to some people who have never witnessed an anaphylactic reaction, or feared your child would die from inhaling an allergen.   Tough call for the restaurant since there are many ways to deal with that situation.  I am glad they chose to safety in this case since it was just a condiment.  Very interesting discussion, good points on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Don C</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-211211</link>
		<dc:creator>Don C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @DaniGirl Should restaurants deny their breakfast patrons peanut butter due to an allergy risk? Blogcasting: http://tinyurl.com/yjq9vew&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @DaniGirl Should restaurants deny their breakfast patrons peanut butter due to an allergy risk? Blogcasting: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjq9vew" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yjq9vew</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: thordora</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/10/26/peanut-butter-toast/comment-page-1/#comment-108718</link>
		<dc:creator>thordora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not cool. At all. Schools and other mass gathering places of children, I understand. But if I go out to spend my money, I do it with the assumption that I will be able to order from the menu, period. I feel for the other parents, but if the tables were turned, I would never, ever expect this for my children. (or even for severely lactose/egg intolerant me)

Maybe someone should just open allergen free resturants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not cool. At all. Schools and other mass gathering places of children, I understand. But if I go out to spend my money, I do it with the assumption that I will be able to order from the menu, period. I feel for the other parents, but if the tables were turned, I would never, ever expect this for my children. (or even for severely lactose/egg intolerant me)</p>
<p>Maybe someone should just open allergen free resturants?</p>
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