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		<title>By: Cristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 12:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m the odd one, I still lie down with my 3 year old but I really enjoy the few minutes to study her quiet face and sneak a few cuddles while she&#039;s calm.  The 8 month old falls asleep a little better but not on her own in the crib yet.  Nursing to sleep works for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m the odd one, I still lie down with my 3 year old but I really enjoy the few minutes to study her quiet face and sneak a few cuddles while she&#8217;s calm.  The 8 month old falls asleep a little better but not on her own in the crib yet.  Nursing to sleep works for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/05/14/talk-to-me-about-sleep-training/comment-page-1/#comment-72794</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear you realize there are no guarantees. What ever works, works. With kid one - we got her to put herself to sleep sometime in the first year, finally by means of modified  CIO - going back 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10, 20 etc. She got it in about 3 nights, and would go down without a fuss once all the rituals were satisfied. Now at 3 she&#039;w pretty devious about staying up/ getting up again to extend bedtime. Last night it was &quot;Mummy? I&#039;m coming to hug you, cuz I need a hug.&quot; Who can resist?

Kid two never got snuggled to sleep - she loved her bed, and wouldn&#039;t sleep till she was in it. She would sigh sweetly, grab her blankey and her thumb and close her eyes. Awesome, but not exactly our doing -  I was pretty much incapacitated with an eye thing her first 3 months, and she just worked around it. 
Now she&#039;s 22 months and goes down well, but she knows that if she yowls around 8:30 she gets mom time - after sister is finally in bed. She&#039;s pretty sneaky, too. 

Whatever works, I say. And a good night&#039;s sleep is valuable for the whole family. Everyone wins when you are more rested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear you realize there are no guarantees. What ever works, works. With kid one &#8211; we got her to put herself to sleep sometime in the first year, finally by means of modified  CIO &#8211; going back 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10, 20 etc. She got it in about 3 nights, and would go down without a fuss once all the rituals were satisfied. Now at 3 she&#8217;w pretty devious about staying up/ getting up again to extend bedtime. Last night it was &#8220;Mummy? I&#8217;m coming to hug you, cuz I need a hug.&#8221; Who can resist?</p>
<p>Kid two never got snuggled to sleep &#8211; she loved her bed, and wouldn&#8217;t sleep till she was in it. She would sigh sweetly, grab her blankey and her thumb and close her eyes. Awesome, but not exactly our doing &#8211;  I was pretty much incapacitated with an eye thing her first 3 months, and she just worked around it.<br />
Now she&#8217;s 22 months and goes down well, but she knows that if she yowls around 8:30 she gets mom time &#8211; after sister is finally in bed. She&#8217;s pretty sneaky, too. </p>
<p>Whatever works, I say. And a good night&#8217;s sleep is valuable for the whole family. Everyone wins when you are more rested.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy @ Muddy Boots</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/05/14/talk-to-me-about-sleep-training/comment-page-1/#comment-72761</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy @ Muddy Boots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon was 20 months old when we moved out here. Up til then he&#039;d still been sleeping in our room/bed. When we bought our house, we took the opportunity to move his crib in with his older brother (this meant there was a single bed in the room that I could climb into when needed). He screamed and SCREAMED, but with me right there in the room with him. I knew he wasn&#039;t crying out of fear or being upset to find himself in a room all alone... he was just mad. Mad I could deal with, but not scared or afraid.

So I would put him in his crib and I would lay down in the single bed and tell him goodnight. It took about a month, so it wasn&#039;t quick, but it did work.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon was 20 months old when we moved out here. Up til then he&#8217;d still been sleeping in our room/bed. When we bought our house, we took the opportunity to move his crib in with his older brother (this meant there was a single bed in the room that I could climb into when needed). He screamed and SCREAMED, but with me right there in the room with him. I knew he wasn&#8217;t crying out of fear or being upset to find himself in a room all alone&#8230; he was just mad. Mad I could deal with, but not scared or afraid.</p>
<p>So I would put him in his crib and I would lay down in the single bed and tell him goodnight. It took about a month, so it wasn&#8217;t quick, but it did work.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Fawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh, I like the new look!  Very clean and fun at the same time.

I have no tips for you, but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this because I thought I should have it figured out by now with number 2.  Maybe I&#039;m just normal and not a slacker. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh, I like the new look!  Very clean and fun at the same time.</p>
<p>I have no tips for you, but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this because I thought I should have it figured out by now with number 2.  Maybe I&#8217;m just normal and not a slacker. <img src='http://danigirl.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carly</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/05/14/talk-to-me-about-sleep-training/comment-page-1/#comment-72742</link>
		<dc:creator>Carly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake is my first and (so far) only, so I was very hesitate to Ferberize or CIO.  A friend raved about the &quot;No-Cry Sleep Solution&quot; so I borrowed the book and started out with that.  It quickly became known around our house as the No-Sleep Sleep Solution, primarily because NO ONE was getting any sleep while trying it, let alone Jake.

Finally at 10 months, when cuddling him to sleep started taking longer and longer every night (we were up to over 2 hours when I broke), I called a friend, (now on her third child) and who had successfully used a very mild CIO method with her children.  I was in tears and desperate.

That very night, I began by doing the bedtime routine we had established (a story, some songs, some prayers) and then put Jake down awake in his crib.  I told him I loved him and left the room.  I waited 2 agonizing minutes outside his room, listening to him cry.  I went back in then, and without picking him up I reassured him and left again.

Five minutes later this time, I repeated the process.  The third time I waited another 5 minutes before responding and never went higher than that.  It took about four repeats of that process before he fell asleep.

We did it again the next night and it took only 2 tries.  The third night he went down on his own.

We backslid during illnesses and teething, but I allowed myself and Jake to be flexible during those periods.  Around 18 months of age, he started getting up too early in the morning so I put an alarm clock in his room and told him he had to stay in his crib without crying until the music came on.  It took a night or two to get him used to that, but he quickly adapted to that and now sleeps like a champ most nights.

Jake had a lot of health problems as an infant that prevented him from sleeping more than a couple hours at a time.  He never slept at night or napped well (if at all) so the sleeping thing was a huge challenge for us.  When we started with the mild CIO method, our primary issue was not only the length of time it took to cuddle him to sleep, but also the fact that he was still waking up to 5 times a night.  The CIO not only stopped the need for extensive cuddling, but also immediately &quot;cured&quot; him of his night wakings.

He was always a pretty happy, laid back guy, but when he finally started sleeping 10-12 consecutive hours at night, you could really see the difference that made on his overall attitude and on his development.

Lots of luck with whatever you decide.  If there&#039;s one thing I learned from speed reading half a dozen books on Children and Sleep at Chapters one afternoon, it&#039;s that no one method works on every child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake is my first and (so far) only, so I was very hesitate to Ferberize or CIO.  A friend raved about the &#8220;No-Cry Sleep Solution&#8221; so I borrowed the book and started out with that.  It quickly became known around our house as the No-Sleep Sleep Solution, primarily because NO ONE was getting any sleep while trying it, let alone Jake.</p>
<p>Finally at 10 months, when cuddling him to sleep started taking longer and longer every night (we were up to over 2 hours when I broke), I called a friend, (now on her third child) and who had successfully used a very mild CIO method with her children.  I was in tears and desperate.</p>
<p>That very night, I began by doing the bedtime routine we had established (a story, some songs, some prayers) and then put Jake down awake in his crib.  I told him I loved him and left the room.  I waited 2 agonizing minutes outside his room, listening to him cry.  I went back in then, and without picking him up I reassured him and left again.</p>
<p>Five minutes later this time, I repeated the process.  The third time I waited another 5 minutes before responding and never went higher than that.  It took about four repeats of that process before he fell asleep.</p>
<p>We did it again the next night and it took only 2 tries.  The third night he went down on his own.</p>
<p>We backslid during illnesses and teething, but I allowed myself and Jake to be flexible during those periods.  Around 18 months of age, he started getting up too early in the morning so I put an alarm clock in his room and told him he had to stay in his crib without crying until the music came on.  It took a night or two to get him used to that, but he quickly adapted to that and now sleeps like a champ most nights.</p>
<p>Jake had a lot of health problems as an infant that prevented him from sleeping more than a couple hours at a time.  He never slept at night or napped well (if at all) so the sleeping thing was a huge challenge for us.  When we started with the mild CIO method, our primary issue was not only the length of time it took to cuddle him to sleep, but also the fact that he was still waking up to 5 times a night.  The CIO not only stopped the need for extensive cuddling, but also immediately &#8220;cured&#8221; him of his night wakings.</p>
<p>He was always a pretty happy, laid back guy, but when he finally started sleeping 10-12 consecutive hours at night, you could really see the difference that made on his overall attitude and on his development.</p>
<p>Lots of luck with whatever you decide.  If there&#8217;s one thing I learned from speed reading half a dozen books on Children and Sleep at Chapters one afternoon, it&#8217;s that no one method works on every child.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/05/14/talk-to-me-about-sleep-training/comment-page-1/#comment-72741</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, here is my experience with the whole sleep thing ...

With baby number 1, we did the CIO around 7 months. I hated it but I really needed the sleep for my emotional health. It probably only lasted days, but it felt like forever.

With baby number 2, the sleep deprivation was really turning me into an emotional wreck by 3 months and we consulted with a doctor. She advised a &quot;sleep training&quot; method that we instituted right away. It was 4 days and nights of hard work, but we haven&#039;t looked back since. He is an excellent sleeper and if I had another babe, I&#039;d do the &quot;sleep training&quot; regime again. It does require crying it out, but also involves a pattern of minimum sleep schedules, which included having him in bed by 7pm at the latest. Once we got this down and into a good set routine, we&#039;ve loosened up alot (international travel requires it!) and he&#039;s still a good sleeper (at 11 months).

This might be harder to do now at the older age of your son, but I think one of your readers hit upon something really good: if you can start the new routine at the same time as the new big-boy bed, then maybe it will make more sense to him and be easier to integrate. 

I know it is so so so tough to tackle! Good luck with it all!

Sidenote: Okay, I had never heard of Pantley but you made my curious with your comment, so I googled her. I&#039;m with bea in wondering why you are deeply offended by her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, here is my experience with the whole sleep thing &#8230;</p>
<p>With baby number 1, we did the CIO around 7 months. I hated it but I really needed the sleep for my emotional health. It probably only lasted days, but it felt like forever.</p>
<p>With baby number 2, the sleep deprivation was really turning me into an emotional wreck by 3 months and we consulted with a doctor. She advised a &#8220;sleep training&#8221; method that we instituted right away. It was 4 days and nights of hard work, but we haven&#8217;t looked back since. He is an excellent sleeper and if I had another babe, I&#8217;d do the &#8220;sleep training&#8221; regime again. It does require crying it out, but also involves a pattern of minimum sleep schedules, which included having him in bed by 7pm at the latest. Once we got this down and into a good set routine, we&#8217;ve loosened up alot (international travel requires it!) and he&#8217;s still a good sleeper (at 11 months).</p>
<p>This might be harder to do now at the older age of your son, but I think one of your readers hit upon something really good: if you can start the new routine at the same time as the new big-boy bed, then maybe it will make more sense to him and be easier to integrate. </p>
<p>I know it is so so so tough to tackle! Good luck with it all!</p>
<p>Sidenote: Okay, I had never heard of Pantley but you made my curious with your comment, so I googled her. I&#8217;m with bea in wondering why you are deeply offended by her.</p>
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		<title>By: colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you have Beloved put Lucas to bed. I gather he doesn&#039;t make a fuss with his Dad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you have Beloved put Lucas to bed. I gather he doesn&#8217;t make a fuss with his Dad.</p>
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		<title>By: Annika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>both of mine were able to sooth themselves to sleep for naps and nighttime by five months

i&#039;ve always given them a little baby facecloth and they take that and their fingers and roll over to sleep

i have no idea how to approach this with a toddler, but i agree with you that ferberizing is not th way to go

i think it&#039;s sweet that he will still cuddle...does he have a fave blanket or stuffed animal he could take with him?

whatever you do, it will have to be gradual...hopefully no more than three or four nights to establish a new routine...good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>both of mine were able to sooth themselves to sleep for naps and nighttime by five months</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve always given them a little baby facecloth and they take that and their fingers and roll over to sleep</p>
<p>i have no idea how to approach this with a toddler, but i agree with you that ferberizing is not th way to go</p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s sweet that he will still cuddle&#8230;does he have a fave blanket or stuffed animal he could take with him?</p>
<p>whatever you do, it will have to be gradual&#8230;hopefully no more than three or four nights to establish a new routine&#8230;good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://danigirl.ca/blog/2009/05/14/talk-to-me-about-sleep-training/comment-page-1/#comment-72732</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We gave my son a big boy bed around when he turned two, and it was the best thing ever. He was perfectly happy to lie awake with his stuffies after we had a nice cuddle. We used a double bed, because it was available and also because we anticipated needing to cuddle him a lot, and we still do, but we don&#039;t need to cuddle him to sleep. Just enough to reconnect after a long day and relax.

I&#039;m with Bea on the Pantley subject... do tell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We gave my son a big boy bed around when he turned two, and it was the best thing ever. He was perfectly happy to lie awake with his stuffies after we had a nice cuddle. We used a double bed, because it was available and also because we anticipated needing to cuddle him a lot, and we still do, but we don&#8217;t need to cuddle him to sleep. Just enough to reconnect after a long day and relax.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Bea on the Pantley subject&#8230; do tell!</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also got lucky with my son. I nursed him to sleep up to 13 months old, then one night, he didn&#039;t fall asleep while nursing. After about 1h30 of nursing, and being both very frustrated, I put him in his crib and left. He cried for 20 minutes, and then slept through (which he had mostly never done). Then the second night, I nursed him for a while, he didn&#039;t fall asleep, so I put him in his crib and he cried for 10 minutes and slept through the night. Then the third night, he didn&#039;t cry and slept through he night.
Now I nurse him for ten / twenty minutes and cuddle him while singing a song and that&#039;s it. 
So he may have been giving me clues that he was ready to go to sleep on his own earlier and I hadn&#039;t noticed !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also got lucky with my son. I nursed him to sleep up to 13 months old, then one night, he didn&#8217;t fall asleep while nursing. After about 1h30 of nursing, and being both very frustrated, I put him in his crib and left. He cried for 20 minutes, and then slept through (which he had mostly never done). Then the second night, I nursed him for a while, he didn&#8217;t fall asleep, so I put him in his crib and he cried for 10 minutes and slept through the night. Then the third night, he didn&#8217;t cry and slept through he night.<br />
Now I nurse him for ten / twenty minutes and cuddle him while singing a song and that&#8217;s it.<br />
So he may have been giving me clues that he was ready to go to sleep on his own earlier and I hadn&#8217;t noticed !</p>
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